The River Wye Preservation Trust held their AGM yesterday evening and their two guest speakers talking about pollution in the Wye catchment were The Rt Hon.Jesse Norman MP and Ben Taylor-Davies (ReGen Ben to his friends and admirers. Lots of questions and lots of answers. In response to a plea of what can we as individuals do to halt pollution because as individuals against Government, Agencies, Farmers, Land Owners etc we feel overwhelmed; Ben had an apt quote from the Dalai Lama that gave the perfect answer -
“If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito.”
Everything all our volunteers can do and each of us can contribute is making a difference and all the stakeholders are starting to feel the pressure.
A big and sincere "Thank You" to everyone and all groups fighting for a clean and healthy river Wye. ... See MoreSee Less
Please could any politician post and tell us why the Government voted down the Lord's amendment to make sewage dishcharge into English rivers illegal. Four of our local MPs have written to the Treasury asking for extra funding to stop pollution in the Wye catchment. Two of the four we think abstained but the others may have voted with the government. We are very interested what made the government and some of our local MPs vote down the amendment.
Is there any possible logical argument that says the best way to protect our rivers is to support the discharge of sewage? We are obviously missing something in the argument so of all the MPS who disagreed with the amendment now is your chance to tell the electorate why your strategy is best. We simply look at a dying river with diminishing ecosystems but you may know so much more. Please post as to why you think continuing sewage discharge is acceptable. ... See MoreSee Less
Looks like great news that the Government has listened to public opinion and is now incorporating most of what the Lords suggested in the new environment legislation !
…… and the farming industry is being vilified for its farming practices which are having a negative impact on the Wye and we are working hard to alter our ways of working yet this is nothing more than blatant and deliberate vandalism 🤷♀️….. I just do not understand 🤦♀️
They can’t make it illegal without making every single sewage treatment plant bankrupt to cover the millions in upgrades to stop it. It would cost every single home owner between £5,000 to £20,000 to make this happen. CPRE need to focus their resources on making sure all new build sites and housing have waste management incorporated into the planning permission Infrastructure, it’s common sense. We all have flush and forget syndrome in the U.K. sewage treatment plants have been neglected for years in the planning process and our rivers have suffered as a result, now at crisis point it can no longer be hidden. How would CPRE suggest the funding for improving the current sewage treatment is done, we need some inspiration to tackle the excepting of new sewage treatment plants and serious upgrades to current ones? Obviously a simple law change is not the answer to this complex issue.
Jackie Talbot It’s done to prevent sewage flooding homes, apparently. I knew someone who this happened to and she couldn’t even go into the property before specialist cleaners had gone in. It was awful! 😞. The sewers are not coping with all the extra housing, people pouring fat down their drains, flushing wet wipes and the frequent flooding we are now experiencing. I think the decision to discharge sewage is not taken lightly, it’s more of a necessity when the system is overwhelmed?
That picture is False News. That is not from any Sewage Treatment Works that I know of!
Also read the Bill. You obviously have not understood it.
I am all for zero untreated discharge but please use facts in your argument. You then might get somewhere. You then will have to convince the Taxpayer to pay for it!
What the hell were they doing voting against protecting our rivers. I thought we were cleaning them up to protect wildlife and improve the environment. Muppets.
Anyone who cares for the planet would vote for this amendment. One has to ask, how much will they gain for going against it? They work for us, are supposed to look after our interests, protect us from harm and look after our health. They are failing big time, but doing very nicely for themselves.
There’s a great deal we could do as individuals to reduce pollution from sewage.
Prevent rain water from entering and overflowing the sewage system would be a good start.
Stop throwing non recycling stuff down the pan would also be helpful.
And who is going to pay for all the infrastructure upgrades to cope with all the nee houses, traffic on the roads, industries who use the sewage network?
I bet if you asked 99% of people on here, they’d say yeah fix the problem ban the discharge, but if you asked them after telling them it would probably add about £80 on to their water bill a year they’d tell you politely to bugger off.
We NEED to know how the MP’s voted
Whole system clearly needs massive investment.. ffs, if the Victorians could do it……!!!
Because they're a bunch of incompetent individuals and they should all step down!! Countries become a disgrace at all levels.
It comes down to decades of under investment. Millions of homes have been built and the companies have pocketed the cash without improving in some cases the Victorian sewage system. The water companies have made billions and have to sort the problem. With an ever increasing population the problem has to be sorted out.
I thought UK isn’t like a third world country 😕
In Switzerland most rivers are so clean and clear water I had see while on holiday
ITV is presenting good investigative journalism on the pollution of the Wye catchement from source to sea. Please see the link below. We need pressure from all sides to ensure government and agencies really do act. Words are easy as we have seen in the past but when will action replace words?
Make your supermarket know that chicken and eggs sourced through the current system from Herefordshire and Powys is killing the Wye ecosystem. Even Avara one of the biggest chicken processors admits they are part of the problem. They also say they want to be part of the solution so let's hold them to this pledge. It is the phosphate in chicken manure (5 times more phosphate potent than cattle manure) that is polluting our rivers. We have in excess of 20 million chickens in the Wye Catchment and their manure is spread on our already phosphate rich fields.
The phosphate washes into our rivers and is a significant cause of algal bloom which is smothering rocks, gravel beds and river banks destrying the ecosystem.
The Conservative MP for Montgomeryshire voted against the amendment and the one for Brecon and Radnor would have but has Covid. Powys which covers these two constituencies is being called the chicken capital of Wales.
The farmers, Avara and anyone else all need planning permission to do this. The council have the last say, but have very little knowledge to base their response on. This sits square on their shoulders.
Is this the same AVARA that encouraged more chicken units, provides chicks, sets the standards required? Its a major failure of the regulator, the water company, individual farmers and their advisers, AVARA and the planning authorities who simply did not have the expertise or willingness to challenge the 'so called' waste disposal plans of each unit
Has anyone got accurate figures of the amount of raw sewage that gets emptied into the River Wye by the Water Companies, following heavy rainfall.
As I understand there are very few sewage treatment plants in the River Wye catchment area that have a phosphate stripping facility.
I await some Informed responses!
Simple question: what % is the contribution of phosphate from agriculture, and what is the contribution from human sewage?
These two numbers must add up to 100.
Then when we have real data we can decide what solutions are needed.
Hereford Council kill it like the town they take your money and put little back to help
Isn't water extracted from the Wye at Broomy Hill for Herefords water supply,
Monmouthshire MP whose constituency borders the Wye is equally complicit
Maybe, just maybe it would be a good idea for MPs to take soundings from their constitutes before voting down such amendments. But then again, maybe they just take their whopping majorities for granted!
might be worth questioning farmers using glycophosate as well ?
Acid rain runoff from all the forestry that the wye runs through is whats killing the river
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